Covid Inquiry latest: Boris Johnson gives evidence for a second day on Covid-19 pandemic

Questioning is beginning with the reduction of social distancing guidelines from 2m to 1m halfway through 2020.

Hugo Keith KC said: "It is obvious that the underlying scientific advice was that staying 2m away from other people remained the best way of reducing coronavirus transmission - but it is equally apparent that there was economic pressure to reduce the 2m rule to make business viable."

Boris Johnson said: "It wasn't quite as simple as that. The 2m recommendation is of course correct, but it was also true that 3m would have been better than 2m. It was a question of where to draw the line."

Boris Johnson argued that other countries had also reduced social distancing guidelines before his government did. These changes came in on the cusp of the Eat Out to Help Out scheme.

"The country had made a huge effort and within the budget of risk it was possible to open up hospitality," Johnson said. "If we were going to take advantage of that it seemed to me to make sense to make sure they actually had some customers.

"If it was safe to open hospitality then it must be safe for people to go to hospitality."

Johnson said: "At the time that the Eat Out to Help Out policy was being aired with me it was not presented as an acceleration - simply something to make sense of the freedoms we were already giving.

"It was not presented to me as something that would increase the budget of risk."

Scientific advisers have already given evidence to the inquiry about how they were not consulted on the scheme. Johnson has countered by claiming there is no evidence that the scheme contributed to an increase in Covid infections.

Reacting to Boris Johnson’s evidence at the Covid Inquiry, Naomi Smith, chief executive of Best for Britain, said: "Johnson’s recklessness led to thousands of preventable deaths and his indifference meant millions are still living with the crippling impact of long Covid. Many of us who lost loved ones during the pandemic will never forgive him, even after his well-rehearsed, three-year-late and qualified apology.

“While he may never be properly held accountable, the party which put, and kept, him in power can be. We need to vote this government out. We need a general election now.”

Johnson has told the panel that he was "surprised" to find out that scientific advisers were not consulted over the Eat Out to Help Out scheme.

"I don't understand how something as well-publicised as that could have been smuggled past the scientific advice," he said. "I don't see how that could have happened."

In his statement, it is suggested that he did hold discussions with the likes of Sir Chris Whitty about the scheme. Johnson described it in his evidence as "properly discussed".

After the Eat Out to Help Out scheme in August 2020, it became apparent that a second wave of Covid-19 was on the horizon. Hugo Keith KC reiterates that there is no evidence the scheme directly led to a rise in the infection rate.

Johnson said: "We could see it was coming."

After turning down the idea of a 'circuit breaker' despite scientific advice to hold one, the government turned it's attention to a tiered system, which placed different restrictions on geographical areas.

Johnson said: "There were some areas that had outbreaks where we had very tough measures. We ramped it up over September and October to intensify the tiered system.

"I think that programme had a very good chance of actually working. The disease was starting to turn down."

Keith KC said: "You did not accept the advice set out for the two-week circuit breaker."

Johnson replied: "We go for the working from home and the curfew - the health secretary himself was opposed to this. It's not as though nothing was happening in that period."

The government mantra was to "follow the science" but in not enacting a circuit-breaker lockdown, the government betrayed this stance, Keith KC argued.

"The advice was not clear," said Johnson. "There was a push for a circuit-breaker but that was not supported by the health secretary. There were question marks about its efficacy - and in Wales it's not clear that it worked.

"I was keen to continue with a local or regional strategy which continued to have scientific support for being reasonable."

Boris Johnson was "unable to recall" key information at a number of points during this inquiry. One publication counted 19 occasions yesterday - and we've just heard it again this morning.

Hugo Keith KC said: "The phrase 'let the virus rip' and the notion that you as a government would let the virus rip was your own phrase, was it not?"

Johnson said: "No, I'm sad to say there were plenty of people who had used the phrase in conversation with me. I was trying to represent a view that was sadly quite widespread, which was to segment the most vulnerable to protect them and allow the vast majority of the population to gradually acquire immunity.

"That was not an approach that I could take at all."

As entries from Sir Patrick Vallance's diary are read out - citing Johnson saying those who were dying "had a good innings" - the former Prime Minister sighs, shakes his head and leans back in his chair.

Johnson said: "This is all rubbish. The implication that you're trying to draw from these conversations is completely wrong. My position was that we had to save human life at all ages."

Johnson, now seemingly agitated, claims that the controversial statements he made towards scientific advisers were made on behalf of others.

"I had to speak for everybody," he said. "If you want to look at what I thought, look at what I said in cabinet and what I did.

"And by the way, I - sorry, I don't want to interrupt your question."

The inquiry is taking a short break - after this, I imagine we'll be steamrolling through evidence right up to lunchtime.

For those pressed for time, myself and political editor Ralph Blackburn broke down the key moments from yesterday's inquiry. While today's session is on a break, it's the perfect time to catch up!

We're back - and talking about the tiered system once again.